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Dear

 We want a solution for our area to provide 2.4ghz frequency from tower in the 500meter radius.  Recommend  a device which penetrate singles in homes from tower to 500meters radius homes.

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4 m ago

Hi Abdullas,

None of the devices can do that in omnidirectional path.

Please provide more information like do you want to reach network connection on your building from a tower and then use indoor/outdoor APs to provide WiFi or you want to broadcast WiFi in 500M radius from a single point.

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Dear 

I want to use one out door device to broadcast wifi in 500m radius. Which can be accessed by clients in homes directly or with a WISP router in home. If send me your email address I will share my location and tower coordinates with KMZ file. In addition more than one outdoor device would be used if necessary for coverage area.

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Hi Abdullah,

None of the single outdoor AP can cover 500m radius directly, because client devices also need immense tx power to send the data to AP.

If your clients are located on a specific location (buildings), you may want to use wireless bridges (RUCKUS P300. P-to-M) to extant network till a specific building and from there you can distribute the network using a local switch and multiple indoor/outdoor APs.

Again, no matter how powerful or high range AP you use, coverage is always governed by AP and client both.

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Regards,

Syamantak Omer

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Dear omer

If there is a RUCKUS device with beam forming technology in 36dbm transmit power. 

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4 m ago

And I would add that WiSP is a specialization, which has developed during last 15 years, a lot of specific knowledge required to create reliable and competitive service, so if you don't have this knowledge -- don't try to enter this business.

It is not only the distance issue -- the capacity of the network is very important. Such a project can be done realistically with sector antennas (such as Ruckus AP T710s, T610s, T310s) and client wireless bridges mounted on roofs with unobstructed LOS. 

Penetration into houses may not be possible -- it depends on house construction properties. The reason is, that each client must be able to reach AP.  AP sector antenna and good sensitivity help a bit, but a heavy wall can easy make enough signal loss to block connection.

To provide any useful service, you need enough speed and capacity, which is much easier done with client bridges on the roof and in 5GHz band. 

But the very first thing -- you need to make a serious business analyzes and build a business plan, before starting any installation. It will show you if this makes sense at all as a business, and will define what equipments you have to use.   There will be a lot to invest into hardware, and with cheap service, it may take forever to get it payback.  There are also running and support costs...

WiSP is a tough business, and all succeeding WiSPs usually have a lot of WiFi expertise and some financial backing. They are almost exclusively found in areas, where fiber, DSL, or cable modem connection are not possible or feasible.   

If you don't know how to build WiSP network yourself (and seems that you don't), you need to hire somebody who has a clue, or better not do it at all -- otherwise both you and customers will be unhappy...

Hope it helps,

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Dear we have a technical expert who is working for our company.

Please update about a RUCKUS device with beam forming technology. A device with 36dbm or More than it transmit power.

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It is not a correct question:

1 -- output power is limited by regulations and basically is the same for all WiFi devices certified for your region.

2. Higher transmit power of AP doesn't improve distance much, as WiFi communication is bidirectional, and client must be able to transmit to AP.

In open space (without obstacles) 4x T610S APs on a high pole or tower can provide coverage for end-user devices ~500m radius. In this case, low output power and bad antenna of the client device is compensated by AP directionals antenna and better sensitivity.   WIt can be done in open areas --  stadiums, beaches, etc. But if clients are in the buildings, it means most probably an additional ~15-20 db or more signal loss and most probably will not work well.  Then only solution is to have WiFI bridge or router on the roof / wall of the building, which connects to AP on tower, and additional AP in the building, serving customers. Distances between bridges and tower may be much longer, as high-gain directional antennas may be used (up to 2-5 km).

With distance 300-800 m sometimes the compromise is possible - mesh AP inside of the building can connect to tower's AP, when client devices can't, but it is possible only in favorable conditions.

Typical solution for WiSP is the bridge on the roof, connected by cable to indoor AP.  As roof WiFi bridge serves just a few client devices in the building, WiSPs usually use cheap devices for this role, as its price impacts CAPEX in a big way (you need just 4 sector APs on the tower, but you may easily need 1000 bridges in the same area).

WiSP network is not a simple thing to do, and to do it in a cost-efficient way is even tougher. Actually, in my experience, most WISPs use cheap equipment (Mikrotik, Ubiquity, and similar, but lots of it -- for WiSPs cost by far out-weights quality)...

Of cause, if you just have a budget to spend and want to provide free service, things are much easier -- you don't need to look for cost-efficiency and don't need to support installation, as it will be a free service. Technical issues still will be there, but for technical issues, some solutions could be found....   

If you have an expert in your team, ask him -- he knows all this...

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We have installed three m5 19dbm 120 degree sectors of ubquiti on tower  for format you talking about.

We want to cover area of 300 to 500 Meters with 2.4Ghz from base station to minimize the client cost. The area will be reduced or increased depending on device efficiency. Please suggest a device for this particular area.

In our region output power regulations have been relaxing to promote Information Technology service. Transmit power is not a issue in our region.

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Hi Abdullah,

I would suggest you to contact our system engineering team for your country/region and they will be able to help you with the best possible solution.

https://www.commscope.com/contact-us/contact-commscope/

RUCKUS offers sectorized antenna APs (120 Deg and 30 Deg as well). Refer the outdoor AP product page from below link. Choose specific outdoor AP and refer the datasheet for more information.

https://www.commscope.com/product-type/enterprise-networking/wireless-access-points/outdoor/

Regards,

Syamantak Omer

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By the way, in 2.4 GHz band most countries allow just 20 dbm EIRP,  exception being USA and some 3-rd world countries, allowing 30 dbm.  Any device with higher power is violating rules and its owner is subject to serious fines.

About signal loss estimation on the signal path you can look on any on-line signal budget calculator, for example: https://www.pasternack.com/t-calculator-link-budget.aspx  . Calculator helps to understand what signal level you can expect and what factors are involved.

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Dear 

Have Ruckus a device with 30dbm transmit power

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Dear

A device with beam forming technology in 30+ dbm in RUCKUS

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